I'm here with Henry Rollins and Jason Krawczyk.

Did I get it, did I get it right?

Did you just say Krawczyk?

Yeah, it works.

Like Krawczyk.

Henry's like, oh my gosh.

I've known him for a couple of years now and I always thought your name was pronounced Krezich.

Krezich.

Henry, I saw something on your website.

It was a seated, you were doing a car dance in your car.

Oh, is that where I was like doing all that stuff?

Yes.

Cause I'm a good car dancer.

That's kinda all I've got.

So you, you have just, you just.

No, I'm driving.

Oh, you're driving okay.

Oh, I'm not driving.

You were driving.

I'm not driving.

Oh, that's irresponsible.

I just crashed my car.

Yeah, well that's the thing.

I actually am driving.

You're not, that that makes sense.

You call yourself a jackass of all tirades.

You sort of do everything.

Yeah.

So I wanna do something you've never done.

Well, a guy like me, you have to be uh, you have to be adaptable.

I came out of high school into the minimum wage working world in the late 70s.

And I, uh, said, okay, well this is gonna be my lot in life, parking cars, flipping burgers, preparing food, which is no bad place to be.

It's just hard on the feet.

And then I got a break.

I got a chance to be in a rock and roll band and it went from there and ultimately led to what working with Jason.

You know, doing film work and whatever else.

And so I've learned to capitalize on my intense curiosity and relative fearlessness in the entertainment business.

In that you're not, it's not like you're gonna go fight somebody in a ring.

It's like you're gonna go and audition make a fool of yourself.

And if that's as bad as it is where they gotta go, get out.

You're, that's fine.

And so that kind of adaptability has put me into documentary work, TV, film, radio, wherever.

And the film work over the last several years has become something that I really, I really value in that it's really fun when you can really cut loose.

Such was the environment in He Never Died.

The best thing about acting is when you're acting with other people who allow you to have to work without restraint, who are there for you and so you can be there for them.

Good director, good writing, sturdy script cause I've been in films where none of that was the case.

Like, wow, he's high and I have to work with him.

Any actor, and I don't consider myself one, well they have war stories.

Like, oh, three months, I'll never get back.

But every once in a while, you get to be in something where you're you end up being very proud of it.

And such was the case with He Never Died.

The character, my guy, Jack, the best part about the film for me is he's basically bored.

He kills time.

Watches a lot of TV.

He sleeps a lot.

He describes someone basically on death row or someone who's clinically depressed.

Sleep a lot, distraction.

The only thing he doesn't do is like a lot of drugs, but he's just trying not to pull again.

He probably wouldn't work either at that point.

Yeah, cause he he burned out on life centuries ago.

Yeah.

And if all you have is another day of this with that an idea of an arc to your life like a bucket list, better get it done.

Then your life becomes this interesting existential dilemma.

And when I read the script, I I had not met him yet.

I read the script.

A day or two went by.

And I I laughed all through it.

I'm like, that's funny.

But I don't know if it's supposed to be funny.

Well, I read that you had to play him not I try to be funny all the time.

It doesn't work.

But you actually had said, I think somewhere that you have to, it is funny, there are funny elements to it, but you can't play funny.

Right.

Is that, yeah.

Jack's the funniest guy in the room, he just doesn't know that.

Yeah.

The the fun thing about this character which I you know, I met him the next day.

Yeah.

And I said, I'm not I have, you know, I haven't we don't know each other yet.

We had a little banter first and then Yeah.

And I said, I read read the script, love it.

That's why we're meeting.

Yeah.

It's funny, right?

And I'm like I'm not trying to I'm like I'm like I'm not trying to offend you.

No, it's it's It's funny like some parts you're murdering.

You're afraid.

Yes.

And cannibalism.

Yeah.

And and I said, I laughed.

Is that okay?

And he went, no, no, you're supposed to.

Yes.

Yeah, good.

It was such a relief because I I didn't wanna say I thought it was funny and having go like, are you kidding us?

What did you say?

This is a serious piece of my life.

Was you and then Daniel Day-Lewis?

Yeah.

Right.

The thing that's that's interesting about the film is Jack is super deadpan.

Yes.

And so what I had to do is basically botox my emotions.

Cause there are scenes of violence where Jack is dispatching someone.

But he's not doing it out of anger.

He doesn't dig it.

He's not a sadist.

It's a utilitarian act.

Light on, light off, break the neck, go do something else.

And so when you do anything physical, there is a tendency to have your face, you get and so you have to like, no, no.

You're just doing things.

And there's a lot of scenes where it's very close, I'm you know, we're it's all choreographed like you know, gun, block this.

And you just, but you have to be like, this is just what I do.

Yeah.

This is like the 80 millionth person I've dispatched.

Yeah, you have to be severely injured and not respond to anything.

Yeah, and at most he's annoyed.

People are an annoyance cause they wanna do things like cattle.

Yeah.

They wanna know about you.

They wanna hear the story.

Like what do you do for a living and you're like And so he's an odd guy.

He doesn't really have an answer either, so he just kinda has to go with the flow at that point.

Yeah.

And the way you emote is you let every Jack has to let everyone else emote around him.

Like he'll do something, I'm not gonna ruin the movie for you.

He'll do something that no mortal can do and the person next to him's like freaking out.

Like, he's like, Yeah.

Well, your performance does that so well.

The first 10 minutes or so, the audience is probably what the hell is Henry doing?

Can we go out with the deadpan?

It's nice to meet you.

It's been great.

Thanks for having us.

Nice to meet you.

This was great.

Really enjoyed the inner South by Southwest 2015.

It's a real party.

Austin, Texas.

Sure is.

He Never Died.

Check it out.

Or don't.

Whatever.

Doesn't, yeah.